This post is, in my opinion, one that is most suitable to be published in this sub-forum ("Rockefeller/Rothschild current false flag plans").


"Hegelian Propaganda" is a term I came up with to describe propaganda designed to make people act in a certain way, desired by the people who produce it, so that the behaviour in question can be used as "thesis", to be combined with a previously elaborated "antithesis", to produce the desired "synthesis" in the good use of the Hegelian Dialectic.

In this specific case, I refer to the type of Hegelian Dialectic that is often seen in demonstrations, where the police will either provoke people to attack them, or plant some of their own among the demonstrators and destroy property or instigate people to attack the uniformed ones, so that they can present the following repression that takes place as required intervention or an act of self-defense.


This example, that I call the attention for, is most amusing, because in this film they didn't even bother to hide their funding.

So if you're interested in watching one piece of this type of propaganda, check out this very bad one called "The Fourth World War":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3604591910224149865


Notice the type of actions that are praised, and portraited as positive, and then pay special attention to the end credits.



And speaking of this, by the way:

In case you liked the film "V for Vendetta"[1] or "The Matrix" trilogy, you might also be interested in comparing the following, and then think a little about the underlying (basic) plot of the films:


1) The movies themselves have a big "WB" logo at the start, but if you don't know which company has produced both of them, the websites say it all:

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/


2) Some Bilderberg Club attendances taken from the site bilderberg.org:

Bilderberg 1991: Pearlstine, Norman - Senior Advisor, Time Warner Inc.
Bilderberg 1999: Levin, Gerald - CEO, Time Warner Inc.
Bilderberg 2006: Pearlstine, Norman - Senior Advisor, Time Warner Inc.



Now why would one the most powerful media and entertainment corporations, connected to the brainwashing CFR[2] and repeatedly represented at meetings of the Bilderberg Club - a group connected to the brainwashing expert Tavistock Institute[3] (and, again, to the brainwashing CFR) and that is part of the top of the "system" pyramid - be producing films with such a big "anti-system" thematic? Only for profit and entertainment?

I know that in the case of "The Matrix" trilogy, the parallels are more subtle, yet many people see them. But in case you disagree with this first point-of-view, what about the "V for Vendetta" movie, where the connection to the present political reality is most strong? Is this just pure coincidence?



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http://www.prisonplanet.com/greece-style-riots-coming-to-us.html#comment-105743


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1. based on a very possible false flag event (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/richard_morrison/article386885.ece, http://www.gunpowder-plot.org/)
2. connections made in Daniel Estulin's "Club Bilderberg" and in The John Birch Society's video "Behind the Big News" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625); check out Dr. Coleman's monographs about brainwashing and the press (http://coleman300.com/white.htm)
3. http://coleman300.com/books.htm#tavistock

(Since I can't edit the previous post, here goes a small clarification of the last paragraph, which I would rewrite as such:)

This is not the "demand destruction", that Michael C. Ruppert and Daniel Estulin talk about, made imperative by the Peak Oil phenomenon. It's supply destruction that we are talking about. It has started long before the need for reduction in hidrocarbon demand and this last goal, as Ruppert and Estulin say, is going to be (is being) accomplished by collapsing the economy. What Peak Oil appears to have done (speculation on my part) was to make things more urgent and make them want to reduce consumption (supply and demand altogether) faster than depletion occurs in order for them to have some energy reserves left.

http://folk.ntnu.no/makarov/temporary_url_20070929kldcg/internationale-ru1.mp3

Nice tune to play along, at the same time, if you ever get a chance to expose this (or some of Antony C. Sutton's findings) to any brainwashed adept of the (temporary, of course) "dictatorship of the proletariat".

Yep. After some more reflection on the issue I'm very much convinced of my analysis.

It's the same thing as Daniel Estulin talks about in his Bilderberg book about nuclear power. Independently of the fact if this is a legitimate concern or not, the anti-nuclear activist groups like Greenpeace and such are being used by this same control freaks to prevent people from having access to a cheap form of energy, therefore, fulfilling the goal of deindustrialization.

This is more than the "demand destruction", that Michael C. Ruppert and Daniel Estulin talk about, made imperative by the Peak Oil phenomenon. It's supply destruction that we are talking about. It has started long before the need for reduction in hidrocarbon usage and this last goal, as Ruppert and Estulin say, is going to be (is being) accomplished by collapsing the economy. What Peak Oil appears to have done was to make things more urgent and make them want to reduce consumption faster than depletion occurs in order for them to have some energy reserves left.

I've just checked Dr. Coleman's book page and it seems that, just a few days ago, a new whole book was added only about the Club of Rome.

http://coleman300.com/books.htm#COR


From the description, I was able to realize the name I didn't understand (and posted as ***** *****) is "Aurelio Peccei".

As Dr. Coleman's other works, it should be a 5 stars one, but expensive as it is for me to order books from the US, I'll have to wait a few months before I have the money to order it and be able to recommend it or not.

And speaking of WWF, I just found out, not surprisingly, that it too is a Man-Made Global Warming propagandist group:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/five-star-green-hypocrisy.html

Presenting, with the help of CFR-members like Al Gore, Man-Made Global Warming as a scary problem, a global one that needs a global solution, and therefore, what better organization to solve it than the UN, and as an excuse to implement global taxes, explains why this apparent false problem is being used by the globalists to empower the UN.

http://mises.org/story/2571
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5086
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/270505estulin.htm


Yet, there's another more elaborate explanation to add to why this, after all not human-caused, problem is being so much talked about in the controlled media/propaganda arms of the New World Order.

Here in Europe, at least, this whole story is being used by the Bilderberg-controlled puppet regimes to sign theatrical "agreements" to "curb CO2 emissions" that will force Europe to deindustrialize. And until recently I thought this was just a camouflage they were building for the Peak Oil phenomenon in order not to scare people about the huge problems this last fact will bring. (I know Alex doesn't believe in Peak Oil, but that's another discussion to be made elsewhere.) But after hearing again a lecture by Dr. John Coleman where he talks about an organization somewhat known among people with ecological concerns, called "The Club of Rome", that published a famous report called "Limits to Growth", I think I finally got the main reason for this whole fraud.

Empowering the UN was an obvious explanation, yet this purpose alone always seemed a bit far-fetched to me. That they would pick up something as "secondary" as ecological problems to fulfill their geo-political goals.

It's not only about empowering the UN. It's mainly about population reduction and destroying the middle-class.

Their plan is to "kill two birds with one stone" by deindustrializing the world.

The population reduction goal is one thing Alex has repeatedly called the attention for and slightly mentioned in connection with the global warming hoax in his documentary "Endgame", where he shows a poor argument, made in some analysis, saying people itself cause too much CO2(!). And the latter objective is mentioned, together with the former, by both Daniel Estulin and Dr. John Coleman.

I'll present the two quotes that explain it.


(In order to understand why the whole story about Man-Made Global Warming is, as all the new data that has come forth appears to show, "the greatest deception in the history of Science", check out the great documentary, produced by Britain's Channel 4, called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" - http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/blancostemrecht/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle_Documentary_Film.aspx - or one of this two: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295 , http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010 )



[The * symbols are there because I cannot understand the name he mentions.]

"The Club of Rome is one of the most insidious, baneful organizations in existence today, which has done intolerable, immeasurable, harm to the United States of America. This Committee of 300 told a man called ***** ***** to form this Club of Rome with the main object of bringing down the industries and the agricultural development of the United States. He immediately wrote a paper in which he said there are too many people on the Earth. And that the United States with its industrial development, its agricultural development, is responsible for this curse of overpopulation. And he picked up the documentation for his work from Lord Bertrand Russel, a senior statesman of the Committee of 300. And Lord Bertrand Russel had written a work called "The Impact of Science on Society". And if you can ever secure a copy of that book, which I doubt you'll be able to get, you will see in there that he said the world is grossly overpopulated and we have to get rid of, at least, half of the world's population. And it doesn't matter how we do it. So the Club of Rome was instituted and organized to start an attack on the world's population using the United States as a whipping boy. And they came up with a paper called "The Zero-Growth Post-Industrial Plan for Industry and Agriculture for the United States of America". Three days after that plan was accepted as official United States policy by James Earl Carter I was able to, through my intelligence people, get a copy of this insidious document. Basically what it said was that the middle-class in the United States of America had to be destroyed. Because in the coming push to a World Order, the middle-class would be the stumbling block. Because History had shown that the peasant class, in ancient days, when they had revolted, was just easily crushed. There was no resistance. But now had grown a new super class of people in the United States called the middle-class who had long-term employment, who had job security, who were well-paid, who could afford to buy the products that were made by the United States and didn't need to buy products from China or anywhere else. And the Club of Rome "Post-Industrial Zero-Growth" paper said this has got to stop. We have to bring down the middle-class of the United States. And the way that we will do this, the way that we will accomplish this task, is by crushing their industries."

--- Dr. John Coleman, (32m44s) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=170819614143019768


"Their final goal is the control of absolutely everything in the world, in every sense of the word. They act like they were God on Earth. Among their plans they seek"
(...)
"- A 'post-industrial zero-growth' society, that will end industrialization and the production of electric nuclear power (except for the computer and services industries). The Canadian and American industries that are left will be exported to poor countries like Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Nicaragua, etc, in which there is cheap work force. (...)
"- Zero-growth is necessary to destroy all traces of prosperity and divide society between masters and slaves. When there is prosperity, there is progress, which makes repression much more difficult."
(...)
"- The death of four billion people, that Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller jokingly call "useless eaters" through wars, hunger and diseases. This will happen until the year 2050."

--- Daniel Estulin, best translation I can make from the Spanish version of "Club Bilderberg"



(Man-Made Global Warming propagandist) Greenpeace and (land-grabbing) WWF, by the way, are controlled by "them"

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_financials.cfm/oid/131
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Fund_for_Nature

and the Brazilian secret service has even produced a report denouncing they are just fronts for this guys.

http://www.amazonia.org.br/noticias/noticia.cfm?id=159911


The same thing goes for the so-called "Union of Concerned Scientists" that I read about in this scary report

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081803_peril_pt1.html

as Dr. Coleman denounces in his book "The Conspirator's Hierarchy".


There are obvious real ecological problems, like poisoning due to excessive pollution and such, that we should all be concerned about. But we have to now be very aware as to who calls our attention for them and question which ones are real, which ones are being exaggerated and, like Man-Made Global Warming, which ones are being fabricated.


http://www.bilderbergbook.com/
http://www.danielestulin.com/?idioma=en
http://coleman300.com/

"Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Free Masons, Illuminati and Reading Societies"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/index.htm



"Illuminati in a Nutshell"

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm#nutshell



"Manifesto of the Communist Party"

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm

Well, I knew there were people, obviously on the side of the government and with the help of the media, posing as *the* critics of the official investigation and of the government response to the attacks, like Wesley Clark that made a very light critic saying "we never finished the investigation of 9/11" and so on. And I've just searched the Internet and discovered that Clark even joined a group called "Patriots Question 9/11". But no, I was not aware that there were so many of them and that they even joined or formed this kind of groups. But the thing is that Alex seemed to be falling on Nader's trap and supporting him, saying "I'm really supporting you now" and "we need some type of fusion party". And that's why I came here to warn everybody.

Read my two comments about the last interview Alex made to him:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-alex-jones-show-l-i-v-e-september-11th-with-william-engdahl-ralph-nader.html

Someone already did.

It's being shared in much better quality and the torrent info is here: http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=151774 .

I'm very sorry to say that I had to delete this video.

The explanation is here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=958c7f4fc1698f21ac62928595f52e02&topic=43091.msg191456#msg191456

Sorry... 

I'm very sorry to say that I had to delete this video.

The explanation is here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=958c7f4fc1698f21ac62928595f52e02&topic=43091.msg191456#msg191456

Sorry... 

Deleted.

Sorry... 

Very nice!

Thank you very much. 

[In the following interview, Estulin says he is working on a book about it, but, from what I know, he has become quite pessimistic about all this, so I'm not sure if it's going to be published... - "portuguese anarchist"]


"the Bilderbergers. Behind this secret society is a contemporary network of powerful private merchant-banking interests of medieval Venetian financier oligarchical model known as fondi. British and Dutch East India Companies, the forerunners of the Council of the 300 and the Bilderbergers are examples of these private merchant banks. Their final objective is a post-industrial society. Actually, their real name is Synarchists. «Synarchism» is used to define a new concept of political alliances by an international brotherhood of financiers and industrialists through a unity of the socialists and the anarchists on fascist principles."

--- Daniel Estulin, interviewed by a Brazilian newspaper

(http://www.danielestulin.com/ciacms/media/pdf/pdf29112006-67516.pdf)





"It is essentially a private criminal enterprise which stretches across the globe, operating through a network of government agencies, private institutions and both publically owned and private corporations and financial institutions. Now this extended network, which is called the fondi, stretches all the way back to the Middle Ages. Again the fondi is the combined wealth of these oligarchical families. It is concentrated in your tangible things: land, oil, raw materials, precious minerals and metals. And by controlling the financial trade of these items, these family fathers set up fondis that are pooled together for maximum effect and deployed through a number of financial institutions, which hide their origins from the unsuspecting public. At the heart of the fondi system, you have the powerful merchant private banks such as the Rothschild banks. And even more powerful than Rothschild is the Lazard bank. One of the reasons that the Bilderbergers have never been able to discredit me is that historically I can show you that what today is called the Bilderberg Club can be traced back in time to the Venetian Black Nobility, 500 years ago."

--- Daniel Estulin, interviewed by a Barcelonian journalist

(http://barcelonadiary-lishman.blogspot.com/2008/02/interview-with-estulin.html)





"One such Venetian Black Nobility family is the Guelphs, from which the present Queen of England, Elizabeth II comes."

--- Dr. John Coleman, "The Black Nobility Unmasked Worldwide"

(http://www.coleman300.com/white.htm)

"The Committee of 300 is the ultimate secret society made up of an untouchable ruling class, which includes the Queen of England, the Queen of the Netherlands, the Queen of Denmark and the royal families of Europe. These aristocrats decided at the death of Queen Victoria, the matriarch of the Venetian Black Guelphs that, in order to gain world-wide control, it would be necessary for its aristocratic members to «go into business» with the non-aristocratic but extremely powerful leaders of corporate business on a global scale, and so the doors to ultimate power were opened to what the Queen of England likes to refer to as «the commoners.»"

--- Dr. John Coleman, "Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300"

(http://coleman300.com/view_300.htm)





"Wake up America! - Dr. John Coleman (Illuminati, Committee of 300)"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=170819614143019768

"Secret Societies and the French revolution, Together with Some Kindred Studies by Una Birch"

http://www.archive.org/stream/secretsocieties00popemiss

"the Communist Manifesto of 1848, an unabridged, unaltered copy of which is kept in the British Museum in London. There is an extract of the manifesto, allegedly the work of Karl Marx (Mordechai Levy) and Friedrich Engels, but was actually written by members of the Illuminati, which is still very active today through their top 13 council members in the United States."

--- Dr. John Coleman, "Diplomacy By Deception, An Account Of The Treasonous Conduct By The Governments Of Britain And The United States"





"Various strands of the Illuminati were woven into radical movements in Ireland, Italy, Germany, and the Americas. In 1815, with the final defeat of Napoleon, European statesmen undertook to suppress the remnants of the Order. However, as Librarian of Congress James H. Billington has documented, the Illuminati's offshoots – such as the Italian Carbonari and the League of Outlaws, which became the League of the Just – continued to thrive.
"In 1848, a disreputable hack journalist named Karl Marx, working on contract with the League of the Just, published the Communist Manifesto, which digested the Illuminist program into a form suitable for mass action."

--- The John Birch Society, "Illuminati"





"The author uncovered considerable evidence in the British Museum that Weishaupt was a mere servant of the Rothschilds."

--- Dr. John Coleman, "Illuminati In America, 1776-1996"





"The steering committee decides who to invite — those who the London Guardian calls, aptly, a «Bilderberg person», a concept that hasn't changed in 50 years of secret meetings — a fabian socialist and a New World Order enthusiast."

--- Daniel Estulin, "Clube Bilderberg, Os Senhores Do Mundo"





"Fabian Socialism began with the Fabian Society, which in their words, «consists of Socialists who allied themselves with the Communist Manifesto of 1848,» written by Karl Marx"

--- Dr. John Coleman, "One World Order: Socialist Dictatorship"

It appears in torrent search engines when I make a search in google, yes.

Or better saying, now that I've watch it again (I had watch it 3 times 5 years ago and didn't remember any copyright warning), the author, during the video, talks about a "licensing agreement in the manuals" and for people to sent it to him for his permission to "take"(?)/"tape"(?) "this videotape to others".


The video, from what I understand, is more than 20 years old, I don't know what the "licensing agreement" is and the website I downloaded it from doesn't exist anymore, so I can't contact the webmaster to know more about the license. Because of all of this I don't know if I'm authorized to upload it to Google.


And since I'm really bad in terms of money and don't have the patience to write an overseas letter to the author, I'm VERY SORRY to say that I will take it off from Google. 


Out of respect for the person in question, I think that this is the most correct thing to do(?). 


I feel really bad for having come here with an apparent good news and to have disappointed you.


The video has, anyway, been uploaded about a month ago to registration-needed www.veoh.com with apparent better quality, I don't know if authorized or not.


In case anyone living in the US knows anything about this, I'll wait until tomorrow night to see if anyone has left here a message and then I'll delete it from Google. 


The author's contact if anyone's interested is:


George W. Hunt

95 Camino Bosque
Boulder, Colorado 80302


Once again, I'm VERY SORRY for all this. 

Well, it was uploaded 3 days ago and, until today, I would get the same "may not be available" message.

(In Google Video's support page it said it would take some time, after it was successfully uploaded and approved, before it was available for people to watch it.)


But today I went strait to Google Video's home page and it appeared in the search results, leading me to believe that it is available for everyone.


And since at least two more people here can watch it (I can also see one person has already rated it), I deduce I'm not having some kind of special access to it due to the google cookies I have.


I speculate that maybe some of your ISP's mirrors(?) have not been updated(?) yet. I don't know...


But I think that for the people who are not yet able to watch it, it might be just a question of some hours or a few days. I hope... 


If the problem is not solved within a week or so, leave a message here and I'll contact Google. I'll come back here to check the page.


The video has no copyright, so I exclude the possibility of having been taken off the site.


Yes, it's quite religious. I'm not a religious person myself also, but I think the rest of the video is quite interesting and really worth watching. Especially the part when the author plays a tape where you can hear one of the "Superclass" members calling us "cannon fodder" (sic). (We already know that they think that of us, but it's incredible when you can actually get a proof of it.)


(I think I know why one can't alter a post that was already commented. If that was possible one person could possible be made a fool of if the post author changed the message completely, leaving a nonsense conversation with the commentators responding to something that was not there anymore.)

I guess "yanked" means taken off the site.

I'm watching it right now. Can't you?

(I came here to try to change "non-registration needed" to "no-registration-needed", but, for some reason, I can't edit the post. I guess the correction will have to stay here.)

Just to warn everyone that I uploaded a video, as far as I know, unavailable until now on no-registration-needed public access sites that I think is of interest to everyone researching the New World Order conspiracy:

George Hunt - "The New World Bank, Religion, & Rulers"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3250471718069816073

Just to warn everyone that I uploaded a video, as far as I know, unavailable until now on no-registration-needed public access sites that I think is of interest to everyone researching the New World Order conspiracy:

George Hunt - "The New World Bank, Religion, & Rulers"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3250471718069816073

Just to warn everyone that I uploaded a video, as far as I know, unavailable until now on non-registration needed public access sites that I think is of interest to everyone researching the New World Order conspiracy:

George Hunt - "The New World Bank, Religion, & Rulers"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3250471718069816073